Libertarian abortion rights
I’ve had some trouble rationalizing any stance on abortion while trying to maintain personal freedom for all parties involved. There also seems to be no way politically to compromise to officially settle it. I also hadn’t fully realized that late term abortions beyond the point where some people have scheduled or even emergency c sections was being physically dissected or whatever to kill the born/extracted child. It someone killed a person that exists in real life, it really seems like murder.
tldr: don’t murder living babies. keep all babies alive if possible. let women be free from the slavery of a fetus if/when they choose. fathers have a a right to their born children. Pro life, full term abortions and freedom is possible.
So, after wondering why a c section isn’t also considered abortion, I arrived at this:
Each person involved has rights: father, mother and fetus. They are each unique human being. Do people disagree with this? on this sub? Usually, the rights of parenting are offered first to the mother and father of a child that is born. If the mother doesn’t want the baby, the father should have an option to keep before adoption is considered.
Killing a human being is homicide (ex. murder) and is illegal in most cases without provocation of self defense or accident. The mother, father and fetus each have their own dna. They also each have their own dna. A rape or incest fetus/baby is also a person.
A person is a baby once they are born. Babies should not be actively killed if possible (drs have a mandate to preserve life) because they are all humans. Is the early fetus or zygot alive the entire time? it doesn’t matter and I will get to that later.
Slavery is outlawed almost universally and no person should be forced to work for someone else. There very few exceptions that are still tolerated (ex. conscription), but the libertarian view might oppose many of those. A woman should not be forced to carry/feed a baby under any conditions because that would be slavery. An exception would be those who willingly have taken on a caregiver/parental liability. Parents do this when they sign the birth certificate. If a woman wants a baby out of her, it comes out. Whether that is at day 1 or day 27X, it does not matter. It is literally her body and she should not have to feed/support a fetus until she signs up for it with legal documentation.
When a person eats medicine or food, usually they are not liable for anything that happens to other people as a result of them digesting it (joking: ex. lethal flatulence). If a woman eats a pill or herb and has a miscarriage, that is not murder. if the baby was extracted prior to being kill or had been intended to be extracted after taking the medicine/herb/food, only then would it be murder (maybe, there could be a few exceptions). I might could use some help ironing out this one, but I think this is the way.
So, what happens when it ‘comes out’ as a result of extraction or c section? This is super important to maintain the fetus/baby’s rights while allowing DRs to comply with their mandate. A doctor should be forced to try to keep the baby alive as they would anyone else in the world. the baby is born once it is outside the womb. Sometimes the baby will live, other times it would die. That is natural. If alive, the mother should have the choice to keep it, the father should also have a choice if present, then it would go to adoption. All this is normal for a c section or any other birth…I am saying a birth happened and a person exists, if the fetus lives outside the womb.
Unless I am missing something, all parties here have been afforded person freedom to do with their body what then want and not be murdered or killed unjustly. If some thinks the mother shouldn’t have an option anymore of something, I open so some logic, but I didn’t think i needed to much beyond the point of getting the baby born without being killed first.
Women would have the right end a pregnancy, and if the baby was truly viable it would get the chance to live. No more murder. No more neglect of the father.
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